(4) That all advertising and representations made on behalf of the school to prospective students are truthful and free from misrepresentation .....

Chapter 46 PROPRIETARY SCHOOLS

Sec. 46-1. Purpose and construction of chapter.

Sec. 46-2. Definitions.

Sec. 46-3. Establishment of authority of city secretary as proprietary school licensing officer.

Sec. 46-4. Application for permit; permit fee.

Sec. 46-5. Exceptions for accredited schools.

Sec. 46-6. Minimum standards.

Sec. 46-7. Issuance or denial of permit; transferability; renewal.

Sec. 46-8. Administrative appeal.

Sec. 46-9. Appeal to the city council.

Sec. 46-10. Revocation or conditioning of permit.

Sec. 46-11. Bond requirements.

Sec. 46-12. Public nuisances.

Sec. 46-13. Injunctions.

Sec. 46-14. Prohibited acts.

Sec. 46-15. Penalty.

Sec. 46-1. Purpose and construction of chapter.

This chapter is and shall be deemed an exercise of the police power of the state and of the city for the public safety, comfort, convenience, welfare and protection of the city and the citizens thereof, and all of the provisions of this chapter shall be construed for the accomplishment of that purpose.

(Code 1958, § 28A-1; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970)

Sec. 46-2. Definitions.

As used in this chapter, the following terms shall have the respective meanings ascribed to them:

(1) Proprietary school (hereinafter referred to as "school"): Any business enterprise operated for a profit or on a nonprofit basis which maintains a place of business within the city; and (a) which offers or maintains a course or courses of instruction or study; and (b) at which place of business such a course or courses of instruction or study is available through classroom instruction; to a person or persons for the purpose of training or preparing such person for a field of endeavor in a business, trade, technical or industrial occupation, except as hereinafter excluded.

The definition of a proprietary school shall not include the following:

(i) A school or educational institution supported entirely or partly by taxation from either a local or state source;

(ii) A parochial, denominational or eleemosynary school or institution;

(iii) A course or courses of instruction or study sponsored by an employer for the training and preparation of its own employees;

(iv) A course or courses of study or instruction sponsored by a recognized trade, business or professional organization for the instruction of the members of such organization;

(v) Private colleges and universities which award a baccalaureate, or higher degree, and which maintain and operate educational programs for which credits are given. A majority of said credits must be transferable to a college, junior college or university supported entirely or partly by taxation from either a local or state source;

(vi) A private school which provides a basic academic education comparable to that provided in the public schools of the state;

(vii) A school offering a program only for children six (6) years of age or younger;

(viii) A school which is regulated and licensed under the laws of the State of Texas.

(2) Owner: Every person having a legal or equitable interest in the assets, or income or both, of such school--If the school is owned by an individual--That individual; if the school is owned by a partnership--All full, silent and limited partners; if the school is owned by a corporation--The officers and directors of the corporation.

(3) School employee: All instructors, administrators, solicitors, clerical and office personnel employed by the school.

(4) Shop course: A course of instruction in one of the manual arts or industrial arts, sometimes called a "ski,: including but not limited to welding, metalworking, woodworking, automotive mechanics, appliance servicing and repair.

(5) Solicitor: A person who solicits business for a proprietary school, or who offers to sell or sells any instruction or course of instruction offered by a proprietary school.

(6) Notice to the school: Written correspondence sent to the address contained in the application or affidavit.

(Code 1958, § 28A-2; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970; Ord. No. 9858, § 1, 7-29-1970)

Sec. 46-3. Establishment of authority of city secretary as proprietary school licensing officer.

The city secretary is hereby commissioned, authorized and directed to enforce this chapter, receive all applications for permits issuable hereunder, and receive and receipt for permit fees tendered therefor. The city secretary shall promulgate such rules and regulations as he deems appropriate to govern hearings before him under the terms of this chapter.

(Code 1958, § 28A-3; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970)

Sec. 46-4. Application for permit; permit fee.

Every owner desiring to obtain a permit to operate a proprietary school within the city shall make a verified application to the city secretary (upon forms furnished by the city secretary) setting forth the following information:

(1) The name or title of the proprietary school;

(2) The addresses of the school or schools, administrative offices, dormitories and cafeterias, and other food service and housing establishments connected in any way to the school;

(3) The legal structure of the school (individually owned, partnership or corporation) and the names and addresses of all owners of the school, and if owned by a corporation, the date and state of incorporation, the charter number, the names and addresses of the officers, directors and all stockholders owning more than five (5) per cent of the outstanding shares of the corporation;

(4) A current balance sheet of the school, certified by a certified public accountant;

(5) The names, addresses, educational and teaching qualifications and teaching fields of all instructors employed by the school;

(6) A list of equipment available for instruction in each course of study taught by the school;

(7) The maximum number of students to be enrolled in each course of instruction offered by the school and the ratio of equipment and instructors to students;

(8) The specific fields and courses of instruction which will be offered and the specific purpose of such instruction;

(9) Copies of all contracts or agreements which will be signed by students attending said school;

(10) Copies of all current catalogues, bulletins, published materials, form letters, circulars and all advertising copy which is transmitted to the public or prospective students;

(11) An affidavit by each owner, solicitor and school employee sworn to before a notary public, containing the following information:

(a) Full name and address of said person and the capacity in which he serves the school; and

(b) The city, county and state of said person's permanent residence and places of residence for the past five (5) years; and

(c) The name and address of said person's employer or employers for the past five (5) years; and

(d) Whether or not said person has ever been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor other than traffic violations, or a crime involving fraud; and

(e) Three (3) persons who may be contacted concerning said person's good moral character; and

In the case of office and clerical personnel, the owner may submit an affidavit setting forth the above information concerning all clerical and office personnel, which information shall be based upon the owner's investigation and knowledge. Information submitted to the city secretary pursuant to subsection (11) shall not be open to public inspection.

(12) A copy of all written contracts or written outlines of all oral commitments or agreements made by the applicant with an apartment house owner for student housing, or with the owner of an establishment serving food to students, or with any other person planning to perform services for the students to be enrolled and to whom the students may be referred by the school.

(13) The applicant shall attach to the application a permit fee in the amount of twenty-five dollars ($25.00).

(Code 1958, § 28A-4; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970; Ord. No. 9858, §§ 4, 5, 7-29-1970)

Sec. 46-5. Exceptions for accredited schools.

Any proprietary school accredited by a nationally recognized accrediting agency approved by the United States Office of Education under the provisions of Chapter 33, Title 38, U.S. Code, and subsequent legislation which requires the evaluation of such agencies and the issuance of an official list by that office and those schools approved by the veterans approval agency of the Texas Education Agency shall not be required to file the matters set out in section 46-4, subsections (5) through (12); provided, however, that the city secretary may, after due notice to the school, require the filing of the information contained in such subsections (5) through (12). In lieu thereof, such school may file an affidavit attesting to its accreditation or approval as herein set out with the twenty-five dollar ($25.00) permit fee attached thereto. In the event said approval or accreditation is withdrawn, the owner shall immediately notify the city secretary of the withdrawal of accreditation or approval and file with the city secretary within ten (10) days the information set forth in section 46-4.

(Code 1958, § 28A-5; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970)

Sec. 46-6. Minimum standards.

No proprietary school located in the city shall be issued a permit to operate under the provisions of this chapter until the city secretary shall have determined that said school is maintained and operated, or in the event of a new school that said school can be reasonably maintained and operated, in substantial compliance with the following minimum standards:

(1) That the school applying for a permit is in solvent condition;

(2) That the school has presently available, of quality and kind customary for the type of schooling proposed, space, equipment and instructional materials to train the number of students proposed to be enrolled in the courses that are advertised and scheduled;

(3) (a) That, for each shop course offered by a school, there shall be not less than one qualified teacher or instructor for each class of twenty (20) students, or less; provided, however, that whenever such teacher or instructor is assisted by an adult aide, working in his presence in the class, such class may include not more than thirty (30) students. A nonshop course shall have a ratio of not less than one teacher to thirty (30) students.

(b) During the conduct of a class the teacher or instructor in charge shall have full visibility of the entire classroom and the classroom shall be arranged to afford such visibility.

(c) Every school instructor shall possess the training, by education and/or experience, customary for teachers of the course he professes and for which he is assigned by the school.

(4) That all advertising and representations made on behalf of the school to prospective students are truthful and free from misrepresentation and fraud;

(5) That any dormitory or eating facility offered by the school or with which the school has any contractual connection, is clean, healthful, safe and adequate for the number of students proposed to be served and that the supervision of the same is adequately maintained at all times;

(6) That the premises and conditions under which the students work or study shall be sanitary, healthful and safe according to the standards required by the health department of the city and of the state and by the fire prevention code of the city;

(7) That prior to enrollment, the student has been presented with a published statement of total tuition charges and/or part payments thereof, fees required, and all charges to be made for books, equipment, and supplies needed by the student, and if housing is provided for the students, all charges therefor, or if housing is not furnished, a statement to that effect;

(8) That the school adheres to a tuition refund schedule, if any, as presented to the student in published form prior to enrollment in the event that the student shall discontinue the training or be excluded therefrom;

(9) That the school is equipped and able at all times to comply with its contractual relationships with the enrolled students;

(10) That the facilities, class instruction rooms, housing quarters, and eating facilities shall at all reasonable times be open to inspection by city secretary or his designated agents;

(11) That all equipment furnished shall be suitable and modern in nature, similar to that which is customarily used in the work that would be performed by a student taking that course of instruction upon completion of the course;

(12) Such other reasonable standards as the city secretary may promulgate and publish, and which are adopted by ordinance of the city council, after notice to the affected schools and a reasonable time allowed for compliance.

(Code 1958, § 28A-6; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970; Ord. No. 9858, § 2, 7-29-1970)

Sec. 46-7. Issuance or denial of permit; transferability; renewal.

(1) On the final passage of this chapter, each proprietary school as defined herein, shall within thirty (30) days make application for a permit under the provisions of this chapter. Failure to make such application shall be considered a violation of this chapter, and each day that the applicant fails to make application shall be considered a separate violation.

(2) Upon receipt of the application specified in section 46-4 hereof, the city secretary shall within twenty-one (21) days consider said application and either issue or deny a permit to operate a proprietary school. An assistant city attorney and the chief of police shall aid the city secretary in evaluating and investigating any application upon request by the city secretary. The director of planning and urban development and director of finance shall provide written comments to the city secretary about the application within fourteen (14) days of its receipt by the city secretary. The city secretary may consider both oral and documentary evidence concerning the issuance of said permit from any interested person.

(3) If the city secretary is of the opinion that the applicant has complied with the provisions of this chapter, then he shall issue a permit to operate a proprietary school to said applicant.

(4) If the city secretary, after considering said application, shall determine to deny the applicant a permit, the city secretary shall specify the reasons therefor, provided, however, that said reasons for denial shall not be binding upon the city secretary in any subsequent proceeding. He may deny an applicant a permit on the ground that an owner or solicitor of the school has been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor involving moral turpitude, or a crime involving fraud. Pending the final determination of the issuance or denial of a permit under the provisions of this chapter, a school in operation when the permit application is filed with the city secretary may continue to operate. Any school which is not in operation when said application is filed may not begin operation until its application is granted.

(5) The permit shall be issued to the owners of said proprietary school and shall be nontransferable. The permit specified for herein shall be for a period of one (1) year. Thereafter, each owner of a proprietary school shall make application for a permit at least thirty (30) days prior to the expiration of the current permit. In the event of a change of ownership of the proprietary school, the permit specified herein shall be revoked by operation of law and the new owner of the proprietary school must within ten (10) days after the change of ownership, apply for a permit to operate a proprietary school.

(6) After the issuance of the permit, the school shall file with the city secretary all contracts and agreements specified in subsections (9) and (12) of section 46-4 hereof which are to be used by the school and which have not heretofore been filed with him.

(Code 1958, § 28A-7; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970)

Sec. 46-8. Administrative appeal.

Should the applicant be dissatisfied with the denial of the permit by the city secretary, the applicant shall within seven (7) days after receipt of notice, file with the city secretary a request for an administrative hearing before the city secretary on said denial, which officer shall, within five (5) days after the receipt of said notice, set a time and place for said administrative hearing on the denial. Said hearing shall be held within twenty-one (21) days from the receipt of the request for a hearing. At said administrative hearing, the applicant may appear in person or by counsel and present evidence to the city secretary in support of the granting of the permit specified herein. The city secretary, upon his request, shall be furnished counsel by the city legal department. All interested persons may also appear and present oral and documentary evidence to the city secretary concerning the issuance of a permit to the applicant, and all parties shall have the right to cross-examine. The city secretary shall within seven (7) days issue an order granting or denying a permit for the operation of a proprietary school in the city and stating the reasons therefor.

(Code 1958, § 28A-8; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970; Ord. No. 9858, § 3, 7-29-1970)

Sec. 46-9. Appeal to the city council.

If the applicant for a permit under this chapter is dissatisfied with the order of finding of the city secretary after an administrative hearing before the city secretary, he shall have the right to appeal to the city council by filing a written notice of such appeal with the city secretary within ten (10) days after receipt of the notice that his permit has been denied or revoked. Upon the filing of such notice of appeal, the application for said permit and all papers possessed by the city secretary in connection with such application and such permit shall be delivered to the city council and such matters as may be in controversy shall be heard by the council within fourteen (14) days after receipt of notice of appeal and the council shall, within ten (10) days thereafter, affirm, reverse or modify the order of the city secretary. The parties may appear in person or by attorney, present evidence and have the right of cross-examination.

(Code 1958, § 28A-9; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970; Ord. No. 9858, § 6, 7-29-1970)

Sec. 46-10. Revocation or conditioning of permit.

The city secretary shall have the authority to revoke the permit theretofore issued by him or to place reasonable conditions upon the continued operation thereunder. Before revoking or conditioning said permit, the city secretary shall afford the applicant or holder of such permit an opportunity to be heard in connection therewith in person or by counsel and that officer shall, at least thirty (30) days prior to the date set for a hearing on such revoking or restriction, notify in writing the holder of such permit of the date and purpose of said hearing and assign therein the grounds for the action contemplated to be taken and as to which inquiries shall be made on the date of such hearing. After decision of revoking or conditioning by the city secretary, a proprietary school permit may be revoked or conditioned by the city secretary for the following reasons:

(1) The failure of the permit holder to comply with the minimum standards required of a proprietary school under the provisions of section 46-6 hereof; or

(2) The use by an employee, solicitor or representative of the school with the knowledge of the owner of fraud or misrepresentation in procuring a student's enrollment; or if any such incident is called to the attention of the owner and remedial steps are not taken by the owner including restitution of fees collected and expenses incurred by the prospective student; or

(3) The failure on the part of the school to carry out and comply with each and every contract and agreement made and entered into by said school with any student; or

(4) The use by the school of deceptive or fraudulent advertising in any form; or

(5) The violation by the owner of a school of section 46-14(1)(c) hereof; or

(6) The filing of false information with the city secretary by an owner of a school; or

(7) The failure of the owner of the school to notify the city secretary in writing of the withdrawal of accreditation or approval as required in section 46-5 hereof.

(Code 1958, § 28A-10; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970)

Sec. 46-11. Bond requirements.

(1) The city secretary shall not issue a permit to operate a proprietary school until the applicant has filed with the city secretary a bond in the sum of ten thousand dollars ($10,000.00) signed by a solvent surety company authorized to do business in the state, payable to the city, conditioned to provide indemnification to any student or enrollee or his parent or guardian suffering loss or damage as a result of:

(a) Any fraud or misrepresentation used in procuring his enrollment; or

(b) The failure on the part of the school to carry out and comply with each and every contract and agreement made and entered into by said school, acting by and through its officers and agents with any student or enrollee; or

(c) The student's inability to complete the course or courses because the school ceased operation, or failed to furnish the facilities advertised or included in the contracted agreement.

(2) The aggregate liability of the surety as to the total of all claims and demands under the bond is limited to the penal sum of ten thousand dollars ($10,000.00).

(3) A surety on said bond may be released therefrom after said surety shall have made a written notice thereof directed to the city secretary at least thirty (30) days prior to said release, provided, however, that such release shall not affect the surety's liability for acts arising prior to the surety's release.

(4) The surety bond shall cover the period of the permit except when said surety shall be released in the manner provided by subsection (3) hereof.

(5) The permit shall be suspended by operation of law when said proprietary school is no longer covered by a surety bond as required by this section; but the city secretary shall cause said proprietary school to receive at least ten (10) days' written notice prior to the release of said surety to the effect that said approval shall be suspended by operation of law until another surety bond shall be filed in the same manner and like amount as required for the initial surety bond.

(6) Each solicitor shall have a bond in the amount of one thousand dollars ($1,000.00) conditioned that he will reimburse any student or prospective student for any money paid or expenses incurred as a result of fraud, or misrepresentation in securing the enrollment of the student. All such bonds and any action thereon shall have venue in Corpus Christi, Nueces County, Texas, and shall be filed with the city secretary. Any solicitor who solicits business for a proprietary school, or who offers to sell or sells any instruction or course of instruction within the city offered by a proprietary school located outside of the city shall file a bond as herein provided. The aggregate liability of the surety as to the total of all claims and demands under the bond is limited to the penal sum of one thousand dollars ($1,000.00).

(7) The city secretary may notify the affected surety company of any alleged violation of the bond required by section 46-11(1) which may come to his attention.

(Code 1958, § 28A-11; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970)

Sec. 46-12. Public nuisances.

The violation of subsections (1)(a), (1)(b) or (1)(c) of section 46-14 hereof is declared to be public nuisances.

(Code 1958, § 28A-12; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970)

Sec. 46-13. Injunctions.

Whenever the city secretary has probable cause to believe that any proprietary school has committed any of the acts declared in section 46-12 hereof to be a public nuisance, the city secretary shall have the duty to make application to a court of competent jurisdiction for an injunction restraining the commission of such acts.

(Code 1958, § 28A-13; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970)

Sec. 46-14. Prohibited acts.

(1) It shall be unlawful for any owner or school employee of a proprietary school within the city to:

(a) Operate such school without a valid permit to do so issued by the city secretary; or

(b) Utilize advertising designed to mislead or deceive prospective students; or

(c) Accept a contract from a solicitor who does not have a bond as required in section 46-11(5) hereof in effect and on file with the city secretary.

(2) It shall be unlawful for a solicitor to:

(a) Solicit a prospective student without having a bond as required in section 46-11(5) hereof in effect and on file with the city secretary; or

(b) Use fraud or misrepresentation in procuring a student's enrollment.

(3) It shall be unlawful for any owner or school employee to violate any provision of this chapter.

(Code 1958, § 28A-14; Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970)

Sec. 46-15. Penalty.

Any owner or school employee who commits any prohibited act as set out in section 46-14 hereof shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction thereof shall be subject to a fine as provided in section 1-6, and each day that any prohibited act continues shall constitute a separate offense.

(Ord. No. 9797, § 1, 6-17-1970)

Attendance Matters: Giving Credit Where Credit is Due! An Inspirational Teacher. Makes All The Difference!

This Is Most Demonstrative when it comes to Attendance and non attendance and who is Making All The Difference; to whom is attendance attributed

The Institution of Education it's Leadership and the learning environment apparently The Biggest Factor Contributing To Attendance and non attendance?

AikiRooster Centurion Gear

Post; All 'Here': Fifth Grade Class Has Perfect Attendance for Year CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas — Denisa McBee's fifth-grade class was just perfect this year. All 21 of the students in her Mathis Intermediate School class in Corpus Christi earned perfect attendance honors, answering a challenge that began after no one missed class for the first two weeks. McBee challenged them to make it six weeks, then a semester, then a year. And they did it — for 175 days. "The kids felt awful some days but were determined to do this," McBee said in a story for Monday's Corpus Christi Caller-Times. "One child was in a car accident with his father on a Sunday. We had Monday off, but he came limping in on Tuesday," McBee said. She said the students learned about dedication and commitment, their grade-point averages increased and she never had to re-teach a lesson to absent students. McBee said she never had to bribe the students. "It wasn't like if you do it, you get this," she said. "All they got was recognition, and that was enough for them." Along the way they road in a holiday parade, had a picnic and went to movies to celebrate their accomplishments. The final celebration was an overnight camping trip at Lake Mathis on May 30. McBee joked that she was afraid no one would want to be in her class next year. "I just happened to have a group of kids who had the initiative to come up with this idea and do it," she said. "Every year your group of kids is different. I'd never put pressure on kids or tell them you have to do this. According to the Texas Administrative Code, a student must be in the classroom for at least two hours to be considered present. School administrators said if a student is in class until 10 a.m., he or she is counted present. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367350,00.html

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senojekips Tribunus Laticlavius	More teachers like Mrs McBee. Now there's a teacher who can relate to kids, I think that she's worth a pay rise. __________________ "Too thick to change, and too old to care" http://www.geocities.com/senojekips/Index.htm

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AikiRooster Centurion Gear	Yeah, obviously she was doing something right and knows how to get production from folks, kids no less, even harder probably than adults. These are our future leaders, at the very least, the attendance is great and sets a great example for themselves in their future and for others, kids and adults.

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Sevens Forum Brat Gear	Awesome. __________________ Woe to the man or woman who thinks that the capacity to kill is not lurking behind these civilized eyes. -- James Woods Clear eyes. Full hearts. Can't lose.

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Del Boy Tribuni Angusticlavii	Inspirational teacher. Makes all the difference. __________________ . I’ve been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet, a pawn and a king. I've been up and down and over and out and I know one thing . Each time I find myself flat on my face I pick myself up and get back in the race.

This kid is crying for help........boot camp!

Teen, CC officer involved in fight

staff reports
Originally published 10:16 a.m., June 10, 2008
Updated 10:16 a.m., June 10, 2008

CORPUS CHRISTI — Two Corpus Christi police officers were needed to subdue a 15-year-old boy who was the subject of a disturbance call Monday night on the 400 block of Breckenridge Drive.

When the first officer arrived after 7:30 p.m., the teen, who is much larger than his father, pushed his father and began to fight with the officer. When the second officer arrived, the teen was on top of the officer on the ground. The teen was subdued when the second officer arrived and he received a small cut below the right eye, according to police. Neither officer was injured.

Police said the father did not help the officer because he is afraid of his son.

The teen was arrested for assault and resisting arrest and taken to Nueces County Juvenile Justice Center.

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related links Posted by 243882 on June 10, 2008 at 10:31 a.m.

Sad when you cannot control your offspring. Even sadder when they attack you.
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related links Posted by 425944 on June 10, 2008 at 10:32 a.m.

Throw the book at him. Some of these 15 year old punks think the world owes them something.

Take away free room and board, food, gas, car, phone that the parents are undoubtedly paying for and what has he got left? NOTHING.

Maybe he'll appreciate some downtime in the slammer. If not, he's got a tough row to hoe.
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related links Posted by 444846 on June 10, 2008 at 10:36 a.m.

Can't you give them to the state when you can't control your children? Thank God I have good kids.
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related links Posted by 712045 on June 10, 2008 at 10:41 a.m.

Let Bubba take care of this punk in the big house.
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related links Posted by 253187 on June 10, 2008 at 10:43 a.m.

We don't know the full story. Many posts often jump to conclusions. Certainly what he did was wrong, but is he mentally ill? I hope that the parent(s) have given or will give firm consequences or tough love. Maybe the family can get some help as well. Good luck to the family.

"Giving them to the state" or "throwing the book" at them won't help anyone in the long run! What do they become, when they eventually get out (which is most)! We still have to deal with delinquent children and adults in society.
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related links Posted by 712987 on June 10, 2008 at 10:43 a.m.

I really feel bad for the father but this is a perfect example when you give your child everything they want and then try to set limits when they get older.

If this child is this threatening then his behavior could lead up to someone losing their life. Courts need to take that into consideration. Is that place in Kingsville still open? I fogot the name but that is where they sent unruly kids that parents could not control.
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related links Posted by 699858 on June 10, 2008 at 10:46 a.m.

Son is much larger than father.....Father calls police...
Police arrive @ home, 15yr old whaling on cop.....
2nd officer arrives, subdue 15yr old...Father afraid to assist????

I'm 36 yrs old 5'11, 220...my dad 74 yrs old 5'7 180...
I love and respect my father, he is my HERO!!!
Count back 15 or 20 yrs ago, I'd never dare raise my voice
to my father or mother for whatever reason. We are all raised
differently, but not once was I or my brothers (3) or sisters (5)
disciplined w/a spanking...We just knew better....

P.S. - I'm sure if I had ever gone @ my father then, he would've
of kicked my a$$!!!!

This juvenile punk needs to get his A$$ whipped!!!

-Oz
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related links Posted by 233087 on June 10, 2008 at 10:50 a.m.

to post 253187,

Stop hugging the tree and realize that sometimes punishment is needed.
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related links Posted by 712060 on June 10, 2008 at 10:55 a.m.

in response to 444846

That's sort of true. A detention hearing will be held within 48 hours. At that point, it is determined by the court to have the child placed back into the facility or send him back home. If dad says he can't or won't take him back home, CPS is called and the dad will be investigated for child abandonment. CPS will then try to place the kid with any relative willing to take him in. If no relative steps up, then the kid will be placed in foster care or shelter. Sine he assaulted a cop, he'll probably be placed on probation or deferred prosecution. Which will make it harder for him to find a foster home.
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related links Posted by 703885 on June 10, 2008 at 10:57 a.m.

This is the start of his new wrap sheet. Now he is not scared. Say hello to a new criminal.
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related links Posted by 712987 on June 10, 2008 at 11 a.m.

in response to 699858

See you are a product of what good parenting is all about. Given you cuss, but who doesn't.

Respect, honor, and obey were one of the many things we were taught as kids. My parents were party animals themselves but were strict as can be on us. We are raising kids in todays world and it is hard. We are strict on our kids but we have noticed the behaviors that they are picking up from other children at school. It is frustrating but we can not let off of them or they will become a nightmare for us. They are very young and we have been instilling good behavior skills since they learned how to crawl and get into things.
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related links Posted by 705049 on June 10, 2008 at 11:03 a.m.

This kid is lucky I didn't arrive on the scene. It wouldn't have been a very long fight at all.
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related links Posted by 700317 on June 10, 2008 at 11:09 a.m.

My kudos to the officers. In a lot of cases, this story would have been 15 year old shot by police. I hope the judge explains to this young man that he could easily have lost more than his freedom in this situation. Thank you CCPD for exercising restraint and giving a 15 year old a chance to grow older and hopefully wiser.
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related links Posted by 592398 on June 10, 2008 at 11:10 a.m.

NO we don't know the story but most likely this is a punk kid who thinks the world owes him. Tough love - send him to boot camp and let them show him what respect is supposed to be about. Let them work him outside in the heat with no video games, friends, punk rock music. Let them scare him into respect.

But again, it starts when they are little. Parents often let it go until it is to late. I am not the perfect parent, BUT I did not let my son tell me what he was going to wear. I bought his clothes and he wore them. He didn't wear pants falling off his butt, he didn't wear big baggy t-shirts, he didn't grow his hair long. As a teen he knew the rules and he knew that if I followed up on something he told me, then it better be true, he knew if I found out that he wasn't where he said he would be then there would be a consequence. I didn't have a problem driving to the high school and taking his truck home when I got a call from the principle that he had been doing doughnuts in the parking lot (those doughnuts cost him six weeks without a truck and stuck at home with mom) His room had to stay clean, he knew I would check it every couple of days, he had to mow grass and do chores or he didn't get to go with his friends to the movies, etc. It starts with disicpline when they are young and follow through all the way through high school. If you never allow them to take the upper hand with you they learn respect.
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related links Posted by 239536 on June 10, 2008 at 11:14 a.m.

I have to wonder why a child would disrespect their parent like this. Sure we blame this on a 15 year old boy but is it truly all his fault? Has his father always been there for him and has he been a good role model? We don’t know the answers to these questions so how can we possibly pin this all on this 15 year old. If you look at most of the children that are in trouble and then look at their parents then we will understand why they are growing up to be so out of control. It is the parents sole responsibility to instill good manners and behavior in their children the minute they see them acting in a manner that is not accepted and that starts early on in the child’s life.
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related links Posted by 277671 on June 10, 2008 at 11:19 a.m.

Yeah, boot camp!!
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related links Posted by 351307 on June 10, 2008 at 11:27 a.m.

it's cause these punks don't have anything to do in the summer and they spend all day playing grand theft halos on their nintendos learning to kill people and are brainwashed to vote for Barack Osama. It's sick. When I was a kid we didn't get to mess around in the summer and beat up our dads we had to go pick cotton.
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related links Posted by 287001 on June 10, 2008 at 11:34 a.m.

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Give yourself some credit. You would've lasted a minute or two before the kid KO'd you.
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related links Posted by 710237 on June 10, 2008 at 11:41 a.m.

How sad.

I'm sure this kid has been like this since he was 2 years old. Out of control. No limits. No discipline. No respect. Poor modeling. All year he has been a pain in the neck at his school.

I wonder why the police officers didn't use their taser gun? To me it would have been appropriate. That would have given him the shock of his life. I think we should give the dad a taser gun for Father's Day so he can have a peaceful life becaue the way things are going now it all does not look too promising as long as his son is around.
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related links Posted by 262709 on June 10, 2008 at 11:49 a.m.

Sad Times Bro.......Sad Times
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related links Posted by 257643 on June 10, 2008 at 11:53 a.m.

Whats the matter when a cop cannot control a teen. Size should not matter. Don't they make cops lift weights anymore? Stop eating donuts and pump some iron.
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related links Posted by 699858 on June 10, 2008 at 11:57 a.m.

Post 712987,

I appreciate you understanding where I am coming from....
As for the cussing, this is not a trait I picked up from my parents nor was it allowed (not that you said that), just want to get the record straight.

As for raising kids in today's tough world? Hardly....
My father worked the grave yard, picked up shifts where he could in
other labor jobs...My father epitomizes the term hard worker. My dad is the definition of a MAN who took care of his family. My mother was a homemaker....Basically, her job was to take care of us..which I can't imagine being an easy task in raising children from the ages of 12 downward to an infant in diapers (me)..

With this said, as my 3 older brothers along w/my 5 sisters and I moved through our young teenage years, never were we a problem for my parents.They worked hard and found time to nurture us.. We knew as long as we lived under the very roof in which they provided, the rules were simple...Whatever mom & dad say goes. Until we moved out then we could stay out late, aside from that, we had our curfew and our chores...We were taught to love one another, respect one another, and know the meaning of responsibility.

Raising a child in this day and age in my humble opinion is but a cake walk....as for bad kids around them, simply don't let your kids be part of those bad apples....
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related links Posted by 233517 on June 10, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

Maybe this kid was on drugs. You'd be surprised at how strong even the smallest person can be when out of control on certain drugs. I witnessed a very small woman who didn't take her medication for a mental illness she suffered from. It took 6 officers to subdue her and that was after she bit and kicked some people. I think under normal circumstances one cop could have taken her down, but her strength was amazing since she wasn't on her meds. It could be the same thing in this kid's situation. Either he's on something or not taking meds he is supposed to be taking. None of us know.
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related links Posted by 711040 on June 10, 2008 at 12:06 p.m.

One bullet between the eyes!
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related links Posted by 234821 on June 10, 2008 at 12:07 p.m.

Honestly, and I know this is going to be cliche, but I blame government. It was the politicians who were beaten as children and now cry abuse when a parent attempts to discipline their child with a good old fashion butt-whoopin'.

Children act out in school and the parents are blamed, even fined, for the behavior of thier offspring. When I was in school and did something against the rules, I got the mean side of the principle's wooden paddle, then when I got home, I got the leather belt from dad. I grew up to be a responsible adult in my most humble opinion.

Now, a kid can beat the hell out of someone and get suspended (yay! get to play on the xbox and miss school!) or for something less serious they are given quiet time or detention.

I would like to take parental control of that teen for a few weeks, teach him discipline the way I was raised and let's see if he doesn't become a model citizen.
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related links Posted by 298842 on June 10, 2008 at 12:39 p.m.

This 15 year old did not get this way over night.
He will do anything if he attacked his own father, attacked a police officer, would not subdue to the second officer arriving without more fight.....he is sick in the head, maybe needs meds.....a full evaluation. This is NOT normal.

Fat chance a family member will want to take him in, and he is messed up for life if he does not get the right help, counseling and medication or whatever he needs, and now......otherwise, he will join the criminal element for life.....and the taxpayers will be paying for his upkeep in PRISON.
He won't make it in society acting like this.
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related links Posted by 235933 on June 10, 2008 at 12:46 p.m.

Our teen son (14) got into his mother's face whaile I was away on a business trip two weeks ago. When I found out all hell broke loose and he was grounded for a month and put on house probation for one year. He plays sports and wants for nothing, so there is plenty to take away if he every attempts to bully his mother in her own house again.

If it does, then MY form of punishment will come into play, but where and why this type of attitude can come out of left field can happen in the first place is beyond me. Especially since he has not been raised in anything other than a supportive and nuturing environment.
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related links Posted by 236920 on June 10, 2008 at 12:46 p.m.

This son does have a problem. For one he has no respect for his elders. If foster house is needed, who in the world will take him, nobody wants to deal with such, especialliy when they are not kin to you. Even if kin, people tend to shun away relatives that are bad. Good parenting is needed, You are to be the guides of your children, for if they are not guided the right direction, they will go astray, and who goes astray the good road? This kid needs to be reprimended and not with just a slap on the hands, he needs to be put to work. Wonder if this is the first offense, probably not, if the dad was afraid of him. Hope all goes good, but I believe this is the beginning of calls to CCPD from that house.
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related links Posted by 712987 on June 10, 2008 at 1:02 p.m.

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Our children are under the age of 10 and we don't allow them to be friends with troubled chidlren. It is the kids that they have to be around in school that they notice their behaviors and want to mimic them but it is cut short the very first time it is shown.

Oh and I was a cusser too. Not by parents choice but becasue I entered junior high exposed to a lot of it and thought it was cool. Now I wish I could stop it. We just refrain doing it in front of the kids.

I remember getting our butts spanked for misbehavior. Not to mentioned as soon as we were old enough my dad would take us to his property and make us do hard labor as part of our punishment. We hated that. We may have gotten into trouble as kids (we all do to some degree) but one thing we did not do was show any disrespect to our parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and adults.

For the poster commenting on why couldn't the cop handle this kid- you can ask that with a little more respect. Making fun of them with the donuts was not neccessary. Believe it or not it doesn't matter how much training you have, if someone is very strong then they are fighting the same force as the police. There is going to be a struggle and there will need to be back up in case the subject gets the upperhand. It happens. If you can do a better job then please join the police force. They need more officers right now and if you can take down a kid like this then you will definately be needed. Just what are you going to do if you have to go to a domestic call and while you are arresting the brut for beating his wife she comes from your backside and starts hitting you? How would you handle it if you haven't got the brut in cuffs? There are strong ppl out there and just because he is 15 doesn't mean he is a wimp. I am sure there is more detail in the report that was written.
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related links Posted by 712987 on June 10, 2008 at 1:14 p.m.

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Could there be a possibility of him being on steroids? Even if he is a natural hot head he should know better than to continue this kind of behavior once police showed up. Why would he want to fight police?
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related links Posted by 712987 on June 10, 2008 at 1:15 p.m.

How big and tall was this kid?
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related links Posted by 233256 on June 10, 2008 at 1:18 p.m.

How sad that kids nowadays are meaner and more disrespectful than ever. I am 37 years old and back when I was in school there were a few bullies at school and the occasional prankster but the situation with kids in today's world is nothing but pure disappointment. My husband doesn't believe me when I tell him that I was a well-behaved kid and not once was I sent to detention back then or sent to the principals office.

I think that the reason why all these kids have ADHD is from all these hormones, pesticides, chemicals and God knows what else is put in the food we eat and it affects them more than it affects a grown up because their bodies are still developing. It also has to do with parents working more hours at their job or sometimes working 2 jobs just to make ends meet but they still have to dedicate time to their kids. And also the fact that there are a lot of single mothers with more kids than they can handle. Don't get me wrong , I'm not critizising women that go through divorce or all of a sudden become widows, I'm talking about the one's that sleep around and have 5 or more kids all from different fathers.

It also has to do with the upbringing of the kids. If they are not brought up in a loving environment and the parents are abusive to the kids because they were abused as kids, then it's a viscious cycle that will never end. All you have to do to confirm this is go to any public place and sure enough you will encounter one of these scenarios where the kids are misbehaving and the parents will just let them have it right there and then.
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related links Posted by 243871 on June 10, 2008 at 1:24 p.m.

Some of you people on here are just plain dumb.

" Good thing I didn't arrive , would have been a long fight", "Bullet between eyes"

Not every family gives there kids everything they want and then take it away as one suggested.

Why do you judge people you don't know , before you get the whole story.As for dad not helping the cops subdue him because he was afraid. How do you know he wasn't afraid the cops would have turned on him or someone would have gotten really hurt You do not assist a police officer when they are trying to control someone unless they are in real danger.

So find out the whole truth before making a decision to kill or mane this parent or child
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related links Posted by 702401 on June 10, 2008 at 1:27 p.m.

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AMEN my friend you have the right idea. Kids need to learn very early on who the parent is and this all can be done without a spanking, Good For You!!!
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related links Posted by 712989 on June 10, 2008 at 1:34 p.m.

Well! That's Americans for you!
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related links Posted by 713073 on June 10, 2008 at 1:43 p.m.

Just another example of how our politically correct society has kept us from properly disciplining our children. I hope this kid gets the proper punishment, both from the system and his family.
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related links Posted by 233939 on June 10, 2008 at 1:47 p.m.

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There is a quote that I live by and I don't plan on stopping anytime soon so there will be no need for you to reply to me.

"Never argue with stupid people. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

With that being said, it is appeaser like you who are the cancer in the Rump of America today.

We should talk to our enemies no matter how mentally deranged or brain washed they are. We should never take action.

Well guess what, talking never works unless the person you are talking to understands that there are even less enjoyable consequences if and when the talks fail.

By actually taking action every now and then it sets a precedent on which the talks become exponentially more persuasive.

Your assertion that being a mentally ill superhuman changes the fact that he is a danger to his family and society is so ignorant I forgot what I was going to say. I feel less intellegent after reading it.
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related links Posted by 447583 on June 10, 2008 at 1:52 p.m.

I am shocked at the fact that the father is afraid of his son. I am a single mother of two sons. They are not allowed to speak vulgar language at home and especially around adults. I have taught them to RESPECT people. My sons are of large stature but they respect and accept whatever discipline is given when needed. I just don't understand this young generation at all when ther are no morals, no respect and no demands are expected of them. Seems that parents who fear their children are only creating problems for society.
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related links Posted by 235152 on June 10, 2008 at 1:52 p.m.

Wow...how big was this kid? Took out his dad and a cop?! Sounds like he has a future in the NFL!
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related links Posted by 322991 on June 10, 2008 at 1:58 p.m.

response to 235933
if this is new and odd for your son then you need to shadow him and find out who he is hanging with. New friends with bad influences often cause usually good kids to start down that dark path and drugs.
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related links Posted by 711808 on June 10, 2008 at 2:06 p.m.

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"Never argue with stupid people. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

...and then you proceed to :) typical! hahaha
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related links Posted by 238181 on June 10, 2008 at 2:20 p.m.

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Amen...I got a spanking once in a while but all it took was a look and I knew I'd better behave..that is what these kids do not have is respect. I'm married and I still wouldn't even think of rolling my eyes at my father. I agree with the kid getting an A%^ whipping!

anorman
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related links Posted by 238181 on June 10, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.

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Amen! I remember the paddle in elementary...never saw it but just the idea of it was scary enough. You are so right...and I think coporal punishment should be brought back into the school systems (I know that is going to open up a can of worms) because when we had that, we had respect and that is all gone now.
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related links Posted by 342621 on June 10, 2008 at 2:30 p.m.

I am a mother of 3 son's widow for 20yrs I have raise my son's by my self.... All three have ONCE talked back to me and I slapped in
the mouth... with no regrets...and told them never to do it again....if they didn't like it here there was the door.... see if it was better outside on there own......but no one in this house was going disrespet me....the were about 10 or 14 at the time... they never did it again...One of them even threated to call the police ..and I gave him the phone... told I go to jail and you go to foster home...which is fine with me... It's hard to raise children to right path....but you have to give all you can....and don't your children tell what to do...
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related links Posted by 262348 on June 10, 2008 at 2:31 p.m.

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My 10 cents worth of the day:

Sometimes this stuff does come out of left field. Our children will test their boundaries, and they find out at a very young age just how far they can push (will they get a spanking? probably not in todays world), they throw a fit and embarrass their parents in a store so they give them what they want to shut them up. As they get older, they push more and more boundaries. Our jobs as parents are to set the boundaries and then make them rock solid.

When my oldest son was 16 he was 6'1". I am 5'3". One day, after getting tired of looking at stringy, greasy hair, I took him to Moore Plaza to get a haircut. He simmered, pouted, and fumed all the way through the haircut. When the girl didn't take off enough, I had her take off more. When we walked out of the shop, he turned on me and started screaming at me in the middle of the parking lot! He had NEVER done anything like that before. What did I do? I showed him the consequences of his actions. I hauled off and smacked the crap out of him on the spot. Later, he came to me and apologized for screaming at me like that. Child abuse? I think not, but if anyone wants to report me he is 20 years old now, you can ask him what he thinks. I guarantee you, he will tell you that he deserved it.
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related links Posted by 262348 on June 10, 2008 at 2:36 p.m.

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"This kid needs to be reprimended and not with just a slap on the hands, he needs to be put to work."

I love that! I know I gave my 10 cents worth already, but...I have to share this. My sister married a man who had 3 teenaged daughters. The oldest 2 didn't want to go to school, didn't want to do their chores, etc. Her answer was to load them up with so many chores that they were happy to go to school, and they graduated! Then they didn't want to get jobs...LOL, yep you guessed it! I am happy to report that they are now very hard working young ladies.
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related links Posted by 262348 on June 10, 2008 at 2:39 p.m.

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Well said.
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related links Posted by 342621 on June 10, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.

342621 By the way all three of them apologized and told me I LOVE
YOU . MOM... it won't do it again....if I would have let them get away it once they would have done it again,and again....until it got out of hand... I guess I was lucky it only took one slap....my youngest son
was 2 when his Dad past away so there has not been any father
figure....I have been both so there is no excuse for those that blame
the dad or mom...or the goverment.....
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related links Posted by 262348 on June 10, 2008 at 2:59 p.m.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, I too am a widow. You are so right. If we can raise our children right, without a father figure, what is the problem with these people who can't?
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related links Posted by 240953 on June 10, 2008 at 3:09 p.m.

Don't cops in Corpus Christi use pepper spray or use a taser gun.I think that is what that boy needed .

Percival Wellington
Austin, Tx.
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related links Posted by 331296 on June 10, 2008 at 3:22 p.m.

To 252375 - back off 357307. He made his point. Who cares if it's Grand Theft Auto or Halo, or Barack Obama or Osama. You're the idiot for being obnoxious. We're talking about the terrible son in the article not spellcheck or titles. Go take a nap!
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related links Posted by 232885 on June 10, 2008 at 3:31 p.m.

But, did he pass the TAKS test?
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related links Posted by 262348 on June 10, 2008 at 3:31 p.m.

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I was thinking it, you said it, good job.
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related links Posted by 240023 on June 10, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.

When is a kid allowed to fight back against an abusive parent? Whose to say thats not what happened here? Its usually not completely undisciplined kids who hit their parents, they have to learn violence. And many of these same abusive parents are quick to use the cops to punish their kids when they feel that they can no longer abuse their kids into submission. Dont you think its kind of funny that the dad didnt help the cop out to restrain his son? I doubt he was as afraid of his son as he said he was. The kid is 15. There's a lot more going on there and I really think that this article is playing the Dad up to be more of a victim than he really is.
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related links Posted by 463468 on June 10, 2008 at 3:33 p.m.

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AMEN to you!!!
Sure maybe we don't know the whole story.. But ANY 15 year old who has no respect for police,fights with them, and whose father is afaraid of him, NEEDS his A$$ whipped... From what the article said, the 1st officer was getting the bad end of the deal.. Lord knows, if he'd had to use force or deadly force (warranted if the kid had gone for his gun) the press would've been ALL OVER that..With the public chiming in..
These punks today need to learn to live WITH society, not have society learning to live around them.. Jail time may or may not help him.. Letting him go with a slap on the wrist or a "Iknow you didn't mean it son, we'll get you some help" Is certainly not going to help... If the father is afraid of his son, there must be a good reason.. Is he crazy, or (politically correct) disturbed? Maybe .. Get that kid on some meds and put him into a counseling facility... If his own father is afraid of him, he could certainly be capable of killing someone, and the excuse "he's mentally disturbed" won't provide consolation to the victim's family. Letting political corrrectness instead of common sense rule is what is killing this country.
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related links Posted by 711762 on June 10, 2008 at 3:42 p.m.

It doesnt matter how big he is, when someone is jacked up on dope they are stronger and feel no pain! I've worked in law enforcement for 35 years and have seen 4 200 pound plus officers have a hard time to control a120 pound kid.
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related links Posted by 238420 on June 10, 2008 at 3:45 p.m.

I was spanked as a child.... not abused just spanked when I was misbehaving. We also got the look as one posted said earlier and time the look was more scary than the actual spanking. I am the oldest of 4 I am 37 years old and I would not dare roll my eyes at my parents much less try to attack them. Had I tried that at 15 I would not have made it to 16 let me tell you.
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related links Posted by 699260 on June 10, 2008 at 3:47 p.m.

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I would be more inclined to entertain your theory if he had not fought with police.

Sweetie
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related links Posted by 310101 on June 10, 2008 at 3:53 p.m.

A lot of kids are like this--there is a sense of entitlement that they can have anything they want whenever they want it! It starts when the parents take the child's side whenever they are corrected in school. Nothing their child does is wrong--must be the teacher's fault. Then the parents wonder why the kid doesn't respect them. These parents are not doing their kids any favors. They'll not amount to much as adults because they are used to everything going their way or else they give up.
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related links Posted by 699260 on June 10, 2008 at 4 p.m.

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Yes! I know that look! I'm 37 also and the oldest of 5...had my fair share of spankings too...I once dared to roll my eyes (out of disrespect) at my mother when I was about 15 and got slapped across the face...that was the last time I ever direspected her that way...now if I happen to roll my eyes it's out of jest and she usually started it! (I get my sense of humor from her)

Sweetie ;-)
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related links Posted by 376065 on June 10, 2008 at 4:02 p.m.

I've got a 2 x 4 or an aluminum ball bat that will make me bigger than my kid any day, and they know it. Respect.
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related links Posted by 239536 on June 10, 2008 at 4:09 p.m.

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I agree with you something else had to go on in order for a 15 year old boy to try and fight with his father. I have an almost 18 year old and he has never ever raised a hand and if that day ever came he better run. There has to be more but if he indeed is just that way then there had to be some sort of failure on the parent’s side bottom line. Remember we raise our children and instill certain behaviors by our actions.
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related links Posted by 712784 on June 10, 2008 at 4:23 p.m.

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Oh, that punk rock music. Always corrupting the 350-pound cyborg youth and making them destroy their parents from the inside out. ;)

Seriously though, I have no idea what your kid is wearing (I'm guessing he's middle aged now and still sporting little white sailor suits and cowboy pj's) but if you have to dress them when they're twenty-five you're doing it wrong. The object is to teach them SELF-respect so they realize that people treat them differently when they look - and more importantly act - like hoodlums. Either way, this story has no direct link to the appearance of the kid other than the fact that he's probably enormous. The dad should not have been afraid of him, "punk rock" or no.
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related links Posted by 232645 on June 10, 2008 at 4:38 p.m.

How big is this kid?!
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related links Posted by 246926 on June 10, 2008 at 4:41 p.m.

Get rid of AC, cable & all TV, internet, and video games and kids will show their parents more respect.

Start with AC. It works. Also, people you don't want in your house will leave as soon as the AC goes out!
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related links Posted by 245928 on June 10, 2008 at 5:12 p.m.

whaaa?? no taser jolt and no second taser jolt with the prongs next to the skin were administered in order to "gain compliance" of the subject ??
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related links Posted by 461293 on June 10, 2008 at 5:47 p.m.

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You say send him to boot camp? Boot camp is a joke! It is a day care run by the county. The kids that go in there just get physically fit so that when become adults they can run from the police.

It is a big waste of time and money...it needs to be shut down!
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related links Posted by 233913 on June 10, 2008 at 5:59 p.m.

Sounds like the kid was on drugs - maybe pcp - which would account for any parent being scared. There are kids out there who scare the .... out of their parents, and not because they were raised wrong, but because they are just wired wrong - add drugs to that mix and anger issues - and you have one scary out of control teenager. I've known parents who have tried everything to find help for a kid like that... and who don't sleep peacefully because they never know what is brewing in that unstable mind in the next room. We are quick to blame the parents... but sometimes it is just something in the nature of the child.
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related links Posted by 712987 on June 10, 2008 at 6:38 p.m.

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yes they do and they have the choice to use either one or their gun depending on the level of threat they are experiencing.
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related links Posted by 427774 on June 10, 2008 at 6:42 p.m.

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" Letting political corrrectness instead of common sense rule is what is killing this country. "

And AMEN to you too! This kid needed some firm jolting a long time ago and didn't get it because everything is just PC enough for him to just skate through. A *little punishment here, and **little there - And nothing significant enough to gain his respect. Maybe plenty to keep him in a dark corner and hating people too.

I don't like the idea of mentally dissecting these kids, labeling disordered this or that, and medicating them so that they can behave well enough to go to school. If they can't behave, the last place they belong is in mainstream classrooms.

I have a son (now 29) that was classic ADD - symptoms from infancy. School was hell for him, and all the schools wanted to do was dissect his mind constantly, and medicate him. As his parents, we had to fight for the special education structures he needed, and fight the schools to keep him OUT of the mainstream classrooms.

Oh but academically he tested well, and can do the work! NO! The problems were NOT ONLY academic!!! He was the kind of child that could instantly take control of an entire room full of adults. Even several teachers in a room full of students was asking for BIG trouble. He played the classroom environment like a stage, and thrived on the reactions of both teachers and students. OKAY - got a box???

I would bet this kid was a problem in school very early, and was stuck in mainstream classes where he could torture, and BE tortured. Constantly talked himself up, and bragged about how stupid school workers were every time they punished him too. That's wrong, wrong, wrong!!!

I don't care how many special ""resource"" efforts are made to help them make the academic grades, or how much the teacher goes out of the way to provide for an obviously troubled kid. The LAST thing these kids need is **a mainstream stage to act out on. If they aren't mainstream students - Remove them completely!!! Provide exactly what they need in the way of character, and behavior guidance. Even a BOX! Let them EARN their way!! My son did, and still is!!!

I would bet mom and dad had no idea what to do from the beginning. The schools have to stop catering to these kids, and allowing the behavior to set like concrete. Before I realized what was going on with my son, he was emotionally disturbed, and could very easily have become very dangerous. I had to study constantly, and had to demand - AND THEN COMMAND the educational plans he needed.

Thanks to my own studies, and knowing enough to gain the respect and attention from school workers, he got a high school education. According to set structures - he belonged in mainstream classes. According to ME - he didn't - and after the third try - boardroom politics had NO chance. Bless this boy and his parents. I hope they find the help they need. Caring thoughts and prayers, always, for law enforcement.
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related links Posted by 420894 on June 10, 2008 at 7:22 p.m.

are postings supposed to be book sized?
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related links Posted by 427774 on June 10, 2008 at 7:24 p.m.

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Lol! Sometimes. Why?
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related links Posted by 427774 on June 10, 2008 at 7:28 p.m.

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That nail needs to be driven FIRM for sure!!! These boot camps are as destructive to character as prisons. They teach the kids to be HARD CORE, and that's exactly what they become - or else. They will either succeed or fail, and which ever way they go - those HARD CORE traits of character go with them.

Once at risk, always at risk as far as I am concerned. Physical training for a possible crime boss, OR a desperate - "I ain't going back" attitude toward law enforcement? No thanks.
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related links Posted by 425944 on June 10, 2008 at 9:45 p.m.

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oh lord your funny. But I personally would not want to punish MYSELF that way. When the AC is turned off, the whole family will SUFFER! LOL : )

But you have a good point, because my 13 year old will prance out of his room on occasion to tell me he is HOT. And then he asks me to turn down the thermostat.

I will keep your idea in mind though if I should ever need it in the future.
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related links Posted by 425944 on June 10, 2008 at 9:49 p.m.

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I really enjoyed your post and really am glad to know you also have a sense of humor! lol

"book sized?" lol! that was funny.

(but it WAS a good book!) lol
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related links Posted by 425944 on June 10, 2008 at 10:01 p.m.

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Sometimes such a small sentence as yours was can CRACK ME UP! LOL.

I wasn't expecting the "book size" comment. Caught me off guard and made my evening complete. Thanks.

But 774 does make a lot of sense if you have read any of their previous posts. So many different kids with so many different problems. We cannot just put them all in a box. There are different circumstances every single time.

My brother hit my Dad one time when he was a teen. They scuffled on the floor pulling each others hair out.
I wasn't there to see it. But it scared me when I heard about it.

But long story short, my Dad did believe in corporal punishment and he was a hands on Dad and he made sure his kids flew right or suffered consequences. My brother went on to be in the Marines, and that turned him into a MAN, who turned out to be the greatest husband, father, & DPS officer and now a proud Texas Ranger.

So sometimes things can turn out good in the long run.

But me personally, well.....I would never strike my parents, or cuss at them or treat them with disrespect. I honor my parents.

I guess my point is, not all kids are bad, they just do bad things sometimes, and if they correct it and fall in line and do the right thing in the long run with tough punishment and consequences for their actions, maybe, just maybe, everything will turn out just fine.
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related links Posted by 238212 on June 10, 2008 at 10:53 p.m.

Sterilize and give him a labotomy then send him to Iraq as a mine detector.
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related links Posted by 303526 on June 10, 2008 at 11:20 p.m.

That Sweetie better not roll her eyes at me!!! I will open a can of whip a$$ on her.

HEHEHEHEHE!!!!!

The kid goes to boot camp immediately!!!
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related links Posted by 378784 on June 11, 2008 at 1:22 a.m.

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Have you ever been inside boot camp in Nueces County? I did counseling in there, and trust me, it is not a place where they go to get "fit."

I am not a Drill Instructor, so it took me some time to get over the emotional toll it took on me. I was just there to do groups and indivdual counseling.

It is loud, kids are crying, the DI's are giving their orders, the kids have to do all kinds of things for breaking the rules. The girls have to have their hair cut short when they enter boot camp. Boot camp is designed to break the child down and build them back up...hopefully with better coping skills, respect, education, self esteem, amongst other things.

I had clients tell me that boot camp was soemthing that they needed to help them get their life back. I also had some clients tell me that they did not plan on changing, and they wanted to go to prison like everyone else in their family.

I had too many kids tell me about being raped, watching their father (or mother) kill the other, using drugs to escape, having no family, and other stories. Those kids have lived through things that no one should have to go through.

Some of those kids will change and some will not. Boot camp is also not for everyone. It can make the person's situation worse.

I just pray that they take the positive from the experience and change their lives for the better. Some of our clients did become success stories after leaving boot camp.
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related links Posted by 712710 on June 11, 2008 at 8:03 a.m.

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I applaud you for taking a responsible parent stand. I raise my child the same exact manner you raise your child. If she acts up in that manner while in my home or in public- she too gets a slap in the face and with much more consequences. I don't care if anyone reports me too. As far as I am concerned- cps can take her and raise her their way or I can continue to raise a child who will listen to me and do right or theres heck to pay. I rather raise her with an iron hand than give in to any nonsense behavior today than have her act this way later and have someone kill her over her throwing a temper fit.

In my home, I rule. My rules are simple- obey me and do right by me. In school, she obeys and does wonderful in all subjects. When she becomes an adult- these lessons I've taught her will keep her alive and well.
By the way, shes 13 years old and keeps a clean bedroom and gets an allowance when she clearly does right by me. With her money she saves it for electronic gadgets and other things she wants. Tough love is TOUGH LOVE- Rule with home laws and rule with love. They will appreciate it later in life. I know I did.
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related links Posted by 699932 on June 11, 2008 at 8:33 a.m.

Funny story now but was not funny then.
I was about 11 years old and that particular day I yelled at mother for serving the same food she had served us the day before. Well, all I remember is running out of the house and thinking I got away with it! Yay! That'll teach her to serve me the same food AGAIN!

Not a moment later, I climbed the tree in front yard. I have always climbed that same tree for years and well, when I jumped off the tree the back of my short ( elastic waist) got caught in a large tree branch- this gave me an instant wedgy & was extremely painful and I yelled for help! My mother was the only one who heard me because all my brothers and sisters were out riding their bikes. I yelled and yelled for help. My mother finally opened the door and said " be glad that tree caught you instead of me". I hung there and hung there for a long time, at this point my short was cutting into my skin. It seemed like an hour but I know it was more like 15 minutes or so- The waist part of the short finally gaveway. I fell to the ground and realized I had done wrong prior to the tree climbing. I changed my ways then. I appreciate all my mother did for me when I was growing up. I had a huge bruse on my thighs for weeks!
I can laugh about it now though!

Moral of story- elastic shorts and yelling at mother does have its consequences.
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related links Posted by 699260 on June 11, 2008 at 10:56 a.m.

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LOL! When my stepson (who is also 13) complains about being hot (we keep the A/C between 75 - 78 depending on the time of day) I send him outside for about 20 minutes...he hardly complains about being hot inside the house anymore...

Sweetie ;-p
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related links Posted by 705049 on June 11, 2008 at 12:50 p.m.

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KO'd? Did I say it was going to be hand to hand combat? He'd be on the ground before he got within 5ft of my person, little bro.
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related links Posted by 712812 on June 11, 2008 at 1:41 p.m.

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totally agree
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related links Posted by 245928 on June 11, 2008 at 5:03 p.m.

While volunteering for a few days at youth facility by Crosstown, one could not miss the "tight ship" security, including tv's showing what was going on in various rooms. A tuffie had crossed some line and was being subdued by adult(s) through wrestling holds until he quit wiggling. I guess if people have free time, they could apply to volunteer; donations of specific items would probably be gratefully appreciated.
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related links Posted by 709587 on June 11, 2008 at 5:25 p.m.

What happened to those old fashion asss woopensss......!!!!!thats the problem now a days.............kids do what they want , and parents allow it, but look at times , kids haveing kids....
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